I have no information and no clear opinion about the topic, but what puzzles me about the debunkings is how simple they make things. Triangular aperture? They exist but unlikely to be used nowadays. Balloon or heat reflection? So obvious causes which would be considered already while even pilots state it was not anything they have ever seen.
So most of the time the debunking is as questionable as the supposed content of the videos themselves. This doesn't mean the content is really alien, just that there may be something which needs to be investigated more than the debunking would make us think.
I agree that the videos alone are not compelling evidence of anything. However, the Pentagon only leaked these 3 videos while keeping the rest classified. What I find compelling are the other parts of the story, like, for example, being tracked for weeks on aircraft carrier radar and visuals, that the anomalous objects were part of larger fleets tracked for weeks, and that multiple credible pilots saw and interacted with these craft first-hand on different days.
In particular, see Dave Fravor's story: he was a senior pilot who spiraled down toward the tic-tac below and got about a half-mile from it when the object started to dance in a ring-around-the-rosy fashion with him until it darted right across the nose of his plane and "disappearing." He then gets an immediate call from the officer back on the ship saying, "You're not going to believe this, captain, but that object is 60 miles away at your "cat point" (a predetermined rendezvous location). How did the object know to do this? Bizarre.
Notable individuals coming forward are commander Dave Fravor (also his copilot and wingman), Ryan Graves, Kevin Day, Gary Voorhis, and maybe a dozen other testimonies from people in the navy too afraid to come forward.
Are these people lying as some part of large conspiratorial government disinformation campaign, or are they all too dumb and Mick West the only expert on FLIR cameras and the other corroborating evidence? I would think the pilots themselves are the experts, not West. It's why Ryan Graves and Dave Fravor, for example, dismiss West, that because what they themselves saw independently with their own eyes, caught on multiple radar systems, what West tries to simulate or explain away is wrong.
You can catch on YouTube anywhere more or less detailed descriptions of what happened. commander Dave Fravor's and his wingman's tic-tac testimony is compelling, here:
Also, Kevin Day, the chief radar officer on one of the carriers, calculated, for example, that given his radar data on the objects, which he describes as "descending like rain from high altitudes down to the sea level in less than 2 seconds, and then abruptly stopping" would have to be traveling at velocities over 20,000 mph.
I have no information and no clear opinion about the topic, but what puzzles me about the debunkings is how simple they make things. Triangular aperture? They exist but unlikely to be used nowadays. Balloon or heat reflection? So obvious causes which would be considered already while even pilots state it was not anything they have ever seen.
So most of the time the debunking is as questionable as the supposed content of the videos themselves. This doesn't mean the content is really alien, just that there may be something which needs to be investigated more than the debunking would make us think.
I agree that the videos alone are not compelling evidence of anything. However, the Pentagon only leaked these 3 videos while keeping the rest classified. What I find compelling are the other parts of the story, like, for example, being tracked for weeks on aircraft carrier radar and visuals, that the anomalous objects were part of larger fleets tracked for weeks, and that multiple credible pilots saw and interacted with these craft first-hand on different days.
In particular, see Dave Fravor's story: he was a senior pilot who spiraled down toward the tic-tac below and got about a half-mile from it when the object started to dance in a ring-around-the-rosy fashion with him until it darted right across the nose of his plane and "disappearing." He then gets an immediate call from the officer back on the ship saying, "You're not going to believe this, captain, but that object is 60 miles away at your "cat point" (a predetermined rendezvous location). How did the object know to do this? Bizarre.
Notable individuals coming forward are commander Dave Fravor (also his copilot and wingman), Ryan Graves, Kevin Day, Gary Voorhis, and maybe a dozen other testimonies from people in the navy too afraid to come forward.
Are these people lying as some part of large conspiratorial government disinformation campaign, or are they all too dumb and Mick West the only expert on FLIR cameras and the other corroborating evidence? I would think the pilots themselves are the experts, not West. It's why Ryan Graves and Dave Fravor, for example, dismiss West, that because what they themselves saw independently with their own eyes, caught on multiple radar systems, what West tries to simulate or explain away is wrong.
You can catch on YouTube anywhere more or less detailed descriptions of what happened. commander Dave Fravor's and his wingman's tic-tac testimony is compelling, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY
Longer version is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E
Here is Ryan Graves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT6av8ZFCks
Also, Kevin Day, the chief radar officer on one of the carriers, calculated, for example, that given his radar data on the objects, which he describes as "descending like rain from high altitudes down to the sea level in less than 2 seconds, and then abruptly stopping" would have to be traveling at velocities over 20,000 mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lSL_Huhi3o
Here is Gary Vorhiss, another radar officer on a different ship describing similar behaviors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4DfYUgdros
Ignoring these other significant parts of the story just doesn't seem honest to me. But that's what West does.