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I think your advice is absolutely wonderful for private debates to maximize the health of personal relationships; but, if one is interested in public debates and actually changing behavior and society through debate, then it seems that, empirically, bad debating techniques generally beat the aforementioned good debating techniques.

I think there's an interesting meta-question about whether truth-seekers should actually incorporate "bad" debating techniques (rhetoric, name calling, emotions, and all the others you cite), which, perhaps in combination with being likely fundamentally aligned with truth dialectically, may better help improve the world.

In other words, a figure that combines Huemer with Trump/Obama would likely be much more effective.

Personally, such manipulative behavior (especially if it's consciously done) disgusts me, and I have no delusions of grandeur of actually becoming a public personality; but, from an outsider's perspective of someone that wants to see improvements in the world for all people, it seems that is actually what's needed.

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5b is so important. I think a trap people fall into is assuming their disagreement is normative when it is both positive and normative.

So for example a progressive thinks, "increasing the minimum wage would be great for low skill workers", then observes that Joe favors eliminating the minimum wage.

If the progressive isn't careful, he might assume that Joe also thinks the minimum wage is great for low skill workers, and yet still opposes it! This leaves the progressive free to conclude that Joe is a bad person.

Of course, Joe doesn't think the minimum wage is good for low skill workers, and that's why he opposes it.

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