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Fascinating. An analogy that comes to mind is that most people that are trying -- and largely failing -- to reduce the size and power of government are akin to doctors hundreds of years ago before the germ & virus theories of disease.

Potential biological analogs for other treatments:

1. Physical aversion and barriers to mind viruses, i.e. physically not listening to or watching mind viruses. That includes some news, social media posts, movies, television, books, etc., but it might also include physically removing oneself from people that are talking about bad ideas in the same way that if I was at a party and someone looked sick and was coughing, I might politely walk away.

The healthiest action would probably be to build a mental muscle of quickly determining what might be a mind virus, so that we're not totally closed to hearing new ideas, but we minimize infection risk.

2. Mental exercise to build the immune system as with physical exercise. Perhaps creating a mental workout routine for people that helps them reason, and, more specifically, help build the mental muscle of quickly determine what might be a mind virus.

3. A social immune system. Perhaps the smartest folks like yourself can build an online database of what are likely to be mind viruses in the same way that Wikipedia has a list of viruses. That could include a description of why it's a virus along with potential treatments, etc. People could then consult what might be a mind virus. This could also include example pictures of symptoms and videos of symptoms of when someone may have a mind virus (yelling emotionally, etc.).

4. A list of mental antiviral treatments and mental vaccines such as a list of books, videos, etc. showing how to reason and showing problems with specific mind viruses.

5. Rhetorically, switching to arguing at a meta-level about the fact that the person has a mind virus (and the evidence for this, rather than just an ad hominem) rather than allowing the mentally infected individual to control what is being argued about. A related quote from Kierkegaard; by analogy, why should we be allowing diseased individuals control the topic of conversation?

"People do not know what they ought to say but only that they must say something. It is one thing to be a physician beside a sickbed, and another thing to be a sick man who leaps out of his bed by becoming an author, communicating bluntly the symptoms of his disease. Perhaps he may be able to express and expound the symptoms of his illness in far more glowing colors than does the physician when he describes them; for the fact that he knows no resource, no salvation, gives him a peculiar passionate elasticity in comparison with the consoling talk of the physician who knows what expedients to use."

I know the meme and mind virus ideas aren't particularly new, but the power of your argument really calls for a totally new social science sub-field!

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Fedor Rybochkin's avatar

If someone could investigate thoroughly and come to a conclusion that P, but didn’t, remained with ~P, did something on the basis on ~P and bit was bad, but he was instrumentally rational not to investigate, could we blame him for his action?

Thought experiment — you know that in next year god will choose one human randomly and ask them what to do regarding some controversial topic (e.g. what to do with climat crisis)

If you are a random person, almost surely you won’t make any more difference than you make voting in the US, so instrumentally you are justified to default mode on this and not do any further research

Seems like that’s not worthy a blame

Also, in the previous case it seems quite weird that intuitions about whether it’s okay to blame person in question change not only because of one’s decision to investigate or not, but also because of whether one is actually chosen by god to make the call.

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