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I subscribe to Adelstein's Substack, so I feel a bit shortchanged to have to give up some Huemer to get more Adelstein. Adelstein is so prolific I can’t keep up with his output. Huemer is so interesting that I would like to have more than I can handle.

I think critics of utilitarianism can quibble with these sorts of thought experiments and intuition pumps on their own terms. But they always silently side-step my major objection, which has to do with the epistemic aspect of the assumptions. An agent who is perfectly well informed about the consequences of their actions would be justified in at least being tempted by a version of utilitarianism. The situation is not clear for ordinary agents, or if it is clear, it is clearly in opposition to even fairly complicated and sophisticated utilitarianism. In a slightly more realistic scenario, there is a non-zero probability that pushing the fat man will make things worse, perhaps resulting in his death together with the five persons in danger. With that slight reframing of the thought experiment, the conclusion is reversed. Perhaps the basic concept remains, but only when agents have sufficiently strong confidence in their understanding of a situation. Such situations might exist, but tend to be of small importance.

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Still working through your undoing and suitcase cases, but I’m not persuaded by the arguments preceding those cases.

Background: I am myself unsure about the normative theoretical truth, but I find it plausible that there are (moderate) deontological constraints against certain sorts of actions. That’s to say, it seems to me there are cases in which an action would bring about more utility (or whatever constitutes value simpliciter) than refraining from it, but is nevertheless wrong. That’s mostly a matter of intuition, not inference. I have that intuition about actions like murder, including actions like pushing the person in the footbridge case. That’s why I hesitate to affirm the morality of that action.

That hesitation isn’t reduced by reflecting on the principle that “if it would be good if X happened, you should do X (assuming it doesn’t trade off against doing other things)”, nor by reflecting on claims like “it can’t be a bad thing to put a perfectly moral person in charge of a process” and “Putting people who do the right thing in charge shouldn’t make things worse”. I’ll explain why.

Re the principle that “if it would be good if X happened, you should do X (assuming it doesn’t trade off against doing other things)”. The sorts of deontological intuitions I have about cases of murder – including in the footbridge case – seem to undermine it. E.g., suppose an elderly tenant in a lodging house is not a happy person, and is somewhat ornery to boot, slightly decreasing the happiness of the other people in the house. Two possibilities: (a) he lives another ten years, or (b) a bottle of poison accidentally falls over and spills into his evening tea, killing him tonight. Suppose total utility is slightly higher if (b) than (a). If I understand the principle correctly, it follows that – putting aside irrelevancies, and assuming an accident isn’t in the cards – you should poison him. But that evokes the very sort of anti-murder intuitions that make me hesitate to affirm pushing in the footbridge case. Maybe they’re inaccurate, but my point is that the principle doesn’t seem to add to the case for pushing.

Re the claims that “it can’t be a bad thing to put a perfectly moral person in charge of a process” and “Putting people who do the right thing in charge shouldn’t make things worse”. Insofar as I find constraints against murder plausible, I find it plausible that perfectly moral people would refrain from murder in some cases in which murder would maximize utility. Indeed, the intuition that perfectly moral people would do that is identical to the very intuitions favoring the anti-murder constraint in the first place, with the additional stipulation that the agent involved is morally perfect. So again, it doesn’t seem like anything has been added that might bolster the case for pushing the person in the footbridge case.

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